Blacklight retribution

[valarias]

Hedone does not stand a chance, after playing blacklight this game will be forgotten within weeks.

[Zeus]

Well aren't you cool? *yawn*

We've heard things like this before, I'm sure we will hear things like this again.

If you have nothing to really offer here, perhaps you should stay on the Blacklight forums and ... well I probably shouldn't tell you what I really think. :)

All the best to you.

[valarias]

it doesn't matter what you think, because it's a fact I just thought i'd share the truth while blr cbt was closed until the 1st, if you play it you'll know why hedone never stood a chance.

[schranzkopp]

I'd love to hear why you think Blacklight is better. And what you think Hedone needs to become better. Only with your contribution we can make the game as good as possible ;)

Just telling that other games are better is useless. Tbh I even consider this troling ;)

[Zeus]

it doesn't matter what you think, because it's a fact I just thought i'd share the truth while blr cbt was closed until the 1st, if you play it you'll know why hedone never stood a chance.
First of all, how do you know that I have not tested the PC version of Blacklight at all during it's previous two beta phases or that I never played the console based predecessor?
Secondly, you are obviously very confused about the difference between FACT and OPINION. Perhaps I can help

fact noun
1.something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2.something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3.a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.

o·pin·ion noun
1.a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3.the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.
Therefore, with no evidence (empirical or otherwise), no statistics, no proof of what you say, you are simply stating an opinion; a grossly overstated one at that. I would even say that your statements are pure conjecture.

con·jec·ture noun
1.the formation or expression of an opinion or theory without sufficient evidence for proof.
2.an opinion or theory so formed or expressed; guess; speculation.
I could easily say that Blacklight will fail within 3 months of release due to a cash item shop imbalance and hacking. Does that mean it is a fact? No, it does not.

Third, you say that it doesn't matter what I think, but let's see what a moderator thinks.


I'd love to hear why you think Blacklight is better. And what you think Hedone needs to become better. Only with your contribution we can make the game as good as possible ;)

Just telling that other games are better is useless. Tbh I even consider this troling ;)
Interesting that it just so happens a moderator seems to rather agree with my opinion of your post being rather useless and easily interpreted as ... Trolling.

Another to way to put it is that many may consider it extremely rude and disrespectful to not only make such a bold, brash and opinionated statement but to try and assert this as a matter-of-fact. It is also a blatant insult not only to the developers and Acony entirely, but to the rest of the community that happens to enjoy Hedone for what it is. Acony is making Hedone as they want it to be along with the help and feedback from the fans. You may not understand this, but not everyone wants to play the game you think is better.

There are MANY FPS games out there, and MANY of those games are F2P. We all have our preferences, our likes and dislikes. Just because you enjoy one thing over another does not make it fact. If I say oranges are better than bananas... well that's my opinion, not a fact.

If you would like to offer some sort of constructive criticism or comparisons then you might be considered something more than just an immature troll. If you cannot be bothered to offer anything useful, then why would you bother to say anything at all? Where is this "help" that you speak of? How are your statements supposed to "help" anything or anyone? This game is indeed a Beta, and a closed one at that. If you despise it, you are more than welcome to cease and desist in any and all participation. Nobody is forcing you to beta test this game.

It my honest and sincere suggestion that if you would actually care to test this game, that you post true feedback and genuinely constructive criticism. As schranzkopp is trying to point out: Statements like yours are easily considered trolling and are a bannable offense.

I also agree with schranzkopp in that I would REALLY just LOVE to know what you're actual reasons are behind such conjecture. Even better, it would actually be fantastic if you had any real suggestions or ideas for improvement of this game for what it is, bearing in mind that is not meant to be like any other game. It is to be it's own game, with it's own theme and style.

[JPhreak]

Bleh, Blacklight is definitely better in a lot of different areas, that is a fact no question.

However content 1st and community 2nd is what makes a game.
This game will do well, more than likely because it meets the graphics standards that a lot of people who play f2p games need.

They are two totally different games, However one suggestion for this game is to Drastically improve the voiceovers of the commentators. They sound severely lame.

[Joadergame]

In my opinion blacklight doesnt stand a chance against hedone.
The maps in blacklight are somewhat weird and definitely not as well designed as the ones of hedone

[gaertner]

It is always personal preference, for example I like Hedone better then TF2, doesn't mean Hedone is the better made game, it's not.

Also If you say that Blacklight is better in a lot of different areas, please name them.

[JPhreak]

Alright. It's not that hard.
I'm warning that this borders intensely on Advertising side and can be removed if wanted.
But I was asked to.

For people who are graphics crazy, it has the allure of DX 11. Although it's not WOAH AMAZING dx 11, it's still in there.
The richer color spectrum is also a key thing for those graphic heavy kind of people.
The GUI is on a whole 'nother level than Hedone. I noticed Hedones interface is exceptionally smooth compared to other games though,
That's a factual thing you can not argue.

For people who are VOIP crazy but for some reason do not realize third party programs are better, there is in-game VOIP, god knows why you would use it though.
There is an in-game training room for you to get used to the game, skills, weapons, and take your newly made weapons for a spin.


For people who like the Operation 7 style of gun customization, It is heavy on every little part of the weapon can be made to your own, so that no one else has your same weapon.
There are also many taunts as well, including ones that let you spout a gay ass rainbow between your palms. >_>


The maps are larger for people who like that, and there are more game modes. Yes both are in CB so it's absolutely not relevant to judge them right now. But this is based off of how it stands now.

For now the game has more guns skills items and clothing type items.
There is a more realistic sense of recoil.

The only real means of measuring two games against any other game is gameplay.
Hedone has great gameplay, hopefully when its OB or released the servers are better, that way newer players to Hedone can look past the occasional lag and rubber-banding. That is the only off putting thing I've seen so far to this game.


Joarder, it's very obvious to see you are too young for this conversation, I am doubting you have even played BLR.
I have played both and can give my opinion on both without slandering either one.
It's okay to take sides, but just throwing out your bandwagon opinion in an intellectual comparison is.. bleh.
For right now though you would be wrong, all you have to do is compare the hundreds of BLR players at a time to the less than hundred at a time Hedone players.

[gaertner]

I wasn't able to play the game yet, but what I can tell after watching some videos is that the game has got better graphics, but I still like the graphic style of Hedone better (especially of clothes). It's less futuristic and most of the characters I saw in the videos looked more or less the same.

Also they Improving the interface of Hedone, like you can see in that new features video, but both look great (the interface of Blacklight somehow reminds me of bf3^^).

Also there will be more gamemodes available I guess (and heared). Since I wasn't able to play Blacklight so far, I don't know how much clothes, skills or weapons are available, but what I know is that Hedone offers a lot different clothes & colors.

[LosioLom]

Haha, writing with bold white font won't make you smarter or ppl to listen you more carefully :p

I don't doubt that Blacklight have better graphics and good gameplay, but as I can see microtransations there will be similar to other f2p fps = f2p player against premium player with similar skill level won't stand a chance, that's why I'm staying with Hedone couse for now It's only game that I hope will be real f2p players friendly, and even in beta it's way better than other f2p games that I tested.

And again: If you don't like this game just don't play it, why wasting your time in it or on this forum.

[JPhreak]

OH! As far as Style, which is a main drive in this game, Blacklight has nothing on Hedone.
There's not a whole lot of "Dress-up" kind of clothes/armors in BLR like there are in Hedone.
The style of Hedone is unique and will be one of the key things to attract a player base.

Yea game graphics wise doesn't always matter because it is about the players individual tastes.
I myself for a long time only like 2D games and cringed at 3D style games.


Edit to answer below post:

Are you talking about the graphic style or the amount of clothes as a key feature? Sure the clothes in Hedone are great, but for me as a old Parabellum player (the game that now is Hedone) the most important thing for me is the gameplay.

The overall art style, some people prefer visuals and color palettes such as this. The clothes thing also draws players.

[gaertner]

Are you talking about the graphic style or the amount of clothes as a key feature? Sure the clothes in Hedone are great, but for me as a old Parabellum player (the game that now is Hedone) the most important thing for me is the gameplay.

[JPhreak]

Hmm why play?
The purpose of a Beta game is to give un-biased feedback in order to build upon an idea.
Do the developers necessarily need ideas, no, but free is free right. Sometimes a great idea pops up.

I don't think the way I choose to write my posts really matter, it's my choice, choice is also a great part of this game.
You have the choice to build your weapons, or skills, or style.
You shouldn't really badger someone for their choices, but hey, that's your choice right.

Anyways on the subject of play2win, Zombie has taken personal control over their game and assured that the "pay" features will be limited to boost items for things such as 25% increase in EXP, or game money, etc.
Not guns that other people can't get and ruin the balance.
They are very active in their forums and have constantly tweaked the game based on user inputs and reply to almost every serious thread.
So before you form an opinion it's best to research it a little, but that's your choice.

[Joadergame]

Joarder, it's very obvious to see you are too young for this conversation, I am doubting you have even played BLR.
I have played both and can give my opinion on both without slandering either one.
It's okay to take sides, but just throwing out your bandwagon opinion in an intellectual comparison is.. bleh.
For right now though you would be wrong, all you have to do is compare the hundreds of BLR players at a time to the less than hundred at a time Hedone players.

You have your opinion, I have mine, so no need to start offending each other.
I myself like Hedone better, though the graphics of BLR look a bit better. and I have to say that the design of the maps is worse than in Hedone . Again only my opinion. Didnt think I had to say this in every little sentence

[JPhreak]

You don't. It was the way you wrote your first post, kind of like the arrogant OP.
Not saying that you are though.

Have you played BLR though. I don't think you've played the maps. They're actually similar in spots.
Hedone does have a lot more places to hide though, and BLR obviously does not because of the type of game it is.
HRV is basically a "Camper" eliminator , so everyone has to keep moving, or juking out the enemy.
That being why Hedone has many more hiding spots built in , it would be silly to design BLR like that.

[Joadergame]

You don't. It was the way you wrote your first post, kind of like the arrogant OP.
Not saying that you are though.

Have you played BLR though. I don't think you've played the maps. They're actually similar in spots.
Hedone does have a lot more places to hide though, and BLR obviously does not because of the type of game it is.
HRV is basically a "Camper" eliminator , so everyone has to keep moving, or juking out the enemy.
That being why Hedone has many more hiding spots built in , it would be silly to design BLR like that.

If it sounded like this I am sorry for that.
I played the game some hours at my friend´s and especially the map with the construction side (dunno the name anymore lol) was the one I didnt like. But for the point with camping you are right. It is definitely easier in Hedone

[gaertner]

But you can't call Hedone a camper game eather, sure there are sometimes where camping makes kinda sense, for example in dominion matches, but nades quite effective to kill them and by time you know the camping spots... So camping doesn't make much sense.

[JPhreak]

OHH, yea. Piledriver, That one is THE most basic and smallest map in the game. Very open, lots of quick kills, can get you angry lol.




But you can't call Hedone a camper game eather, sure there are sometimes where camping makes kinda sense, for example in dominion matches, but nades quite effective to kill them and by time you know the camping spots... So camping doesn't make much sense.

Oh, I wasn't calling Hedone a camper game at all.
Just referencing why the level designs would be quite different when compared.

Lol Dominion is about the only room I ever see. I was on all day today and not one person made a Team Death Match. I heard Dominion yields Higher EXP though so I'm guessing that's why.
I personally favor TDM or DM.

[Joadergame]

But you can't call Hedone a camper game eather, sure there are sometimes where camping makes kinda sense, for example in dominion matches, but nades quite effective to kill them and by time you know the camping spots... So camping doesn't make much sense.

Camping is easier in Hedone but most of the time it doesnt make sense. A skilled player can even kill someone with half the hp the other one has. So it is not as annoyin as in CoD for example.

[Andraxxus]

Rainbow attack: Just one question.
Who is Joarder?

[LosioLom]

Damn you Andrax, you seriously wan't to blow my head with this your color attacks...

[schranzkopp]

I think Joarder = Joardergamer
Of all of youwho know German the name is clear, but those who don't don't see the context of the name , I guess it means something like: "yeah, the gamer" ;)

But back to topic. I appreciate this discussion. It's very constructive, thank you for that. I am sure Acony well get some valuable Feedback from this discussion.

[Zeus]

I have to say, this discussion has proved to be pretty good.

It is my plan to offer some feedback regarding true comparisons between the two, but I would much rather wait for the next release of BR and possibly the next Hedone update as well.

On a side note, @JPhreak sorry for losing my cool in game the other night. check your PM's ;)

[zoren555]

Hedone does not stand a chance, after playing blacklight this game will be forgotten within weeks.i could care less how good blacklight is both games are still in beta so no need to jump to conclusions

[Kare]

Honestly I like both games, even though I haven't gotten the chance to try out Blacklight Retribution yet.
Both games have their own unique styles, Retribution is more military sci-fi with mechs and visors that allow players to see where both teammates and enemies are while Hedone is a bit like the Running Man with its idea of a gladiator style gameshow in the future where clones fight each other for fame and money.

[zoren555]

+1 theyre both different styles of play so i dont see how you could compare the 2

[Zeus]

Well I tried the most recent beta release of Blacklight Retribution (Beta 3).

I prefer Hedone, hands down.

Yes, they are two absolutely different games, and yes this is merely the opinion of one person, but I much prefer Hedone.

[zoren555]

ya blacklight is ok but its not a game i prefer playing all the time